Carl's Roost:
Response to April 23 Scratchings
Laura Guest and Jaime Wilson:
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:24:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Responses to Urbana High "Scratchings"
Slide 88:
What is the light-colored structure in the center of
the embryo? Slide 98: What is the triangular shape
in the center - the heart or another organ? Slides
108 and 112: Very distorted - Is there a problem
with the MRI or is it the contrast of the computer
screen? These are just a few questions we would like
answered by Beckman. Besides the distortion on two
of the slides, the images show a well-developing
chic. We can already observe a distinct head and
body.
Carl:
The light colored spot at E5 (88 and
98) is the remains of the latebra. It is located in
the yolk, which is now flattened and appears
triangular on this view (point to the left) The
appearance differs in the two images due to a change
of imaging technique from T2_contrast to
T1_contrast.
Frame 108 appears to have been a double or triple
exposure due to simultaneous requests from more than
one workstation. Please be patient and wait your
turn.
Frame 112 is very "grainy" or snowy
because the slice is too thin (1mm) and the field of
view too small (45mm). This makes the individual
"pixels" too small to give any detectable MRI
signal.
The problems with 108 and 112 are discussed in the
"Guide to getting the most out
of MRI".
Anna, Dasha, Yvone, Rachel
1) The embryo is starting to show more characteristics
of a chicken. The images are becoming more
recognizable. The t2 contrast is not of much use
right now because of the large amounts of liquid in
the egg. We have a couple of questions: 1) How do
you know on Day 5 images what is the beak and what
is the eye or wing?
Carl:
The eyes are distinctive - large and round. In some
views they have a well-defined boundary, too. The
other features take a bit of guesswork with the
limited data we have here. A more careful (and much
more time-consuming) research project would acquire
many thin slices with signal averaging to improve
the image quality. These could then be reconstructed
to give views from many different directions, so
that a clear understanding of the relationship of
the various parts could be obtained.
2) MRI image #99 What are the bright and dark
sections?
Carl:
From bottom to top: albumen
compartment 1 (dark), yolk (triangular, light),
albumen compartment 2 (also light), amniotic sac and
chick (bright spot). The streaks and smears are due to
movement of the chick during the "exposure" (about 8
seconds for this frame). Notice the difference between
this artifact and the ones on the Day 8 News
page.
David, Ted, and Fernanda
On the picture of mri.00107, at the bottom of the
the picture, we saw a structure that looks like a
wing of the chick.
Carl:
This slice is located at the BOTTOM of the
yolk. Check the detailed parameters (slice offset,
mm is zero, placing the slice at level 4-5 in a
front view (like frame 99). The chick is at the top
of the shell, near +20mm. The curved structure at
F2-F3 is probably a blood vessel, bringing nutrients
to the chick from the yolk.
C.D.Gregory: April 24, 1996